George mentioned something about an executive order that Bush signed on the 17th...
kinda wonder if anyone caught it? And if so what's your reaction to it?
Sorta seems like our rights have been stomped to bits by this ...
right to peacefull assembly... etc...
This just makes me so sad...
kinda wonder if anyone caught it? And if so what's your reaction to it?
Sorta seems like our rights have been stomped to bits by this ...
right to peacefull assembly... etc...
This just makes me so sad...
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Re: Did anyone catch George's show last night.. friday July 20?
Sun, July 22, 2007 - 12:21 PMthe thing most don't catch, is IF THE GOVERNMENT DETERMINES (WITHOUT DUE PROCESS, AND PRIVATELY) THAT YOU ARE AIDING THE CONFLICT (the wording is so loose it would allow them to say your political t-shirt is stopping progress), THAT NEW ACT HE SIGNED ALLOWS THE GOVERNMENT TO SEIZE YOUR PROERTY AND ASSETS, without our traditional 'due-process', which means some nazi can decide he doesnt like you, and ruin your life. And the cute little thing about it all, if you ARE sent a letter from national defense, and your property seized, IT IS ALSO ILLEGAL FOR YOU TO TELL ANYONE YOU GOT ARRESTED OR PROPERTY SEIZED! you actually have to not tell anyone why you are penniless, without home or property. NOW thats bush for you. It isn't just sad, it is one step from a concentration camp. -
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Re: Did anyone catch George's show last night.. friday July 20?
Sun, July 22, 2007 - 1:36 PMThank You! My opinion exactly.
I don't feel like this is a free country anymore.
Hell.. I'm half afraid to voice my opinion here. (and that's just WRONG!)
Not like I have any assets for anyone to seize... but still...
So... if I go to the store in my bellbottom jeans with the peace sign embroidried on the bell...
wearing my black t-shirt with a huge white peace sign on it... am I breaking the law?
and... the real question... isn't Bush kinda forgetting our right to peaceful assembly?
how can he just blow off the constitution and the bill of rights??
...and how can the rest of the government sit quietly by like this?
There should be a huge outcry.. not just from Gov't.. but from:
WE THE PEOPLE !!
Does this not interfere with my freedom of speach?
This is wrong in SO many ways...
has America become so apathetic as to sit back and shiver in our boots...
afraid to complain about a gross injustice?
Sorry Mr. Shrubbery .. but I'm not gonna shut up.. and I don't think anyone else should either..
oh and please note.. I didn't say a d@mn thang about that thang over there that its now ilegal to complain about... ;p -
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Re: Did anyone catch George's show last night.. friday July 20?
Sun, July 22, 2007 - 2:02 PMI am so right with you on this one! You can get away with the peace sign, thank the gods. You aren't breaking the law, the law has nothing to do with it- theocratic monarchy does. And anarchy always follows theocratic monarchy, look to history for repeats of this lesson played thru time.
Using the war as leverage, is how he blew off the constutution. And now it, functionally, does not exist. I would really bet you, that our vote for presidential candidates, has not been truthfully counted for 2 or 3 decades. Money buys office, and power, like with the petroleum industry.Mr. Shrubbery is the best example of what i mean. Are americans so addicted to shopping and driving suv's, that they do not see the connection between the conflict elsewhere, mr. shrubbery, and the gasoline market? America is not even scared, we as a people are absolutely apathetic, and this is what the world is taking advantage of right now. Americans have grown so complacent in the presence of the luxeries and toys, that they would not dare raise a voice against something that would cut down on their driving down the block, rather than walk. It is very sad, but unfortunatly, history also bears out that people largely protest in two cases- when their luxury toys are taken away, or, they start to protest, when unfortunatley, they are already imprisoned. The bars on the cage come later, but the cage is there, nonetheless.
so, in this time, look to your own, and your community, and prepare for the worst. taking a raincoat to a picnic doesn't mean you have to wear it- it just means you are prepared for the rain, in case it falls. just my 2 cents, i will now crawl back to the rock i climbed from under. -
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Re: Did anyone catch George's show last night.. friday July 20?
Mon, July 23, 2007 - 11:53 AMWell said Travis.
Maybe we'll get lucky and someone will pose this question on CNN's YouTube debate tonight.
I would, but I don't have a webcam.. oh well..
Weird thing about this is ... news programs jump on all sorts of stuff...
even non-news stuff that seems like total fluff...
why is it I've seen nothing about THIS on the news?
They talk about the executive order that was signed, but they seem to be
leaving the content of that order out of the equation..
"I would really bet you, that our vote for presidential candidates, has not been truthfully counted for 2 or 3 decades."
... well at least for the last two presidential elections in my opinion... and when I think about the electoral college..
the screwed up vote counter boxes etc... you're probably right.. :0\
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Re: Did anyone catch George's show last night.. friday July 20?
Thu, July 26, 2007 - 11:41 AMtreason laws have always been on the books and penalties were allot stiffer in historical days....
the japanese were intermed with use of this...and during all major conflicts. I suggest you guys to talk to your parents who lived through
the wars. They will tell you of similar situations. So historically this is nothing new when the country has been threatened.
Its only now with modern days that laws such as treason, looting (yes there are laws on the books where looters can be shot) etc. are not enforced anymore because of political correctiveness.....read up. -
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Re: Did anyone catch George's show last night.. friday July 20?
Fri, July 27, 2007 - 6:32 PMPerhaps you could post a link sandy? -
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Re: Did anyone catch George's show last night.. friday July 20?
Sat, July 28, 2007 - 6:49 PMyou can start here;
www.constitution.org/cmt/jwh..._apn.htm
or here
To avoid the abuses of the English law (including executions by Henry VIII of those who criticized his repeated marriages), treason was specifically defined in the United States Constitution, the only crime so defined. Article III Section 3 delineates treason as follows:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
However, Congress has, at times, passed statutes creating treason-like offense with different names (such as sedition in the 1798 Alien and Sedition Acts, or espionage and sabotage in the 1917 Espionage Act) that do not require the testimony of two witnesses and have a much broader definition than Article Three treason. For example, some well-known spies have been convicted of espionage rather than treason.
The Constitution does not itself create the offense; it only restricts the definition. The crime is prohibited by legislation passed by Congress. Therefore the United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381 states "whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States." The requirement of testimony of two witnesses was inherited from the British Treason Act 1695.
In the history of the United States there have been fewer than 40 federal prosecutions for treason and even fewer convictions. Several men were convicted of treason in connection with the 1794 Whiskey Rebellion but were pardoned by President George Washington. The most famous treason trial, that of Aaron Burr in 1807 (See Burr conspiracy), resulted in acquittal. Politically motivated attempts to convict opponents of the Jeffersonian Embargo Acts and the Fugitive Slave Law of 1850 all failed. Most states have provisions in their constitutions or statutes similar to those in the U.S. Constitution. There have been only two successful prosecutions for treason on the state level, that of Thomas Dorr in Rhode Island and that of John Brown in Virginia.
After the American Civil War, no person involved with the Confederate States of America was tried for treason, though a number of leading Confederates (including Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee) were indicted. Those who had been indicted received a blanket amnesty issued by President Andrew Johnson as he left office in 1869.
Several people generally thought of as traitors in the United States, including Jonathan Pollard, the Walker Family, Robert Soblen, and Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, were not prosecuted for treason, but rather for espionage. John Walker Lindh, an American citizen who fought with the Taliban against the U.S.-supported Northern Alliance, was convicted of conspiracy to murder U.S. nationals rather than treason.
The Cold War saw frequent associations between treason and support for (or insufficient hostility toward) Communist-backed causes. The most memorable of these came from Senator Joseph McCarthy, who characterized the Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Harry Truman administrations as "twenty years of treason." McCarthy also investigated various government agencies for Soviet spy rings; however, he acted as a political fact-finder rather than criminal prosecutor. Despite such rhetoric, the Cold War period saw few prosecutions for treason.
On October 11, 2006, a federal grand jury issued the first indictment for treason against the United States since 1952, charging Adam Yahiye Gadahn for videos in which he spoke supportively of al-Qaeda.
Regarding Execuitive order 9066;
Japanese American Internment was the forced removal and internment of approximately 120,000[1] Japanese and Japanese Americans (62 percent of whom were United States citizens)[2][3] from the West Coast of the United States during World War II. While approximately 10,000 were able to relocate to other parts of the country, the remainder – roughly 110,000 men, women and other people – were sent to hastily constructed camps called "War Relocation Centers" in remote portions of the nation's interior.
President Franklin Roosevelt authorized the internment with Executive Order 9066, which allowed local military commanders to designate "military areas" as "exclusion zones", from which "any or all persons may be excluded." This power was used to declare that all people of Japanese ancestry were excluded from the entire Pacific coast, including all of California and most of Oregon and Washington, except for those in internment camps.[4] In 1944, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the exclusion, removal, and detention, arguing that it is permissible to curtail the civil rights of a racial group when there is a "pressing public necessity."[5]
Some compensation for property losses was paid in 1948, but most internees were unable to fully recover their losses.[3] In 1988, President Ronald Reagan signed legislation which apologized for the internment on behalf of the U.S. government. The legislation stated that government actions were based on "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership",[6] and beginning in 1990, the government paid reparations to surviving internees.
Looting;
Measures against looting
In many countries, even in Western democracies that otherwise ban the death penalty, extraordinary measures may be taken against looters, during times of crisis. Looters may be summarily shot by the police, army, or property owners. Extraordinary measures, combined with an impressive show of force, help to discourage looting and to disperse crowds that would otherwise find a normal show of force non-threatening. This is also common police practice in discouraging potential riots, which are often associated with looting, from escalating.
The shooting of looters may also prevent further damage to the economy. One perspective is that this also shows the relative value of economy vs. "human life" in some societies.
and here is an interesting blog spot on shooting looters;
www.isthatlegal.org/archives...s_me.html
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Re: Did anyone catch George's show last night.. friday July 20?
Sat, July 28, 2007 - 9:25 PMExcellent info here Sandy, Thank you.
um.. I have a question:
With the presidential election fast aproaching...
most or all of the Democratic candidates are for bringing the troops home.
... as are many American Citizens...
Don't get me wrong... I support our troops over there, and I'm all for putting a stop to terrorism,
heck ... I cheered when they brought Sadam down... the Iraqi people needed our help...
and I'm glad we helped and are helping them.
but doesn't this executive order kind of step on the candidates rights to state their stance on the war?
... or is this pretty much aimed at terrorists?
I'm no rogue scholar or anything..
just a Concerned American Citizen... I love my country ...
but something about this just doesn't sit well with me...
What am I missing here?
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